Fixing Low Stereo Out Sound Volume For the Yamaha MG12XU / MG16XU / MG20XU Audio Mixer
Hi!
I recently got my hands on a Yamaha MG12XU audio mixer and dove right into the world of amateur analog audio mixing.
Everything went fine until it came to the USB interface. When trying to record the sound that was output via USB to my computer (basically STEREO OUT without the master stereo fader), it did arrive, but the volume was really, really low. Audacity barely showed any change in the graphs displaying the signal volume (went from a one pixel thick line to an occasionally 2-3 pixel thick line).
Additionally, the audio that went into the mixer via USB (channel 11/12 on the MG12XU) was considerably louder than all my other channels. In fact, if I used the USB attenuator function (press the PROGRAM dial/button 5x, turn the dial to adjust between -24 to 0 dB and confirm by pressing it once more) to set it to -24 dB, the lowest setting, only then was it as loud as all my other channels. That should have been the first indication as to what was wrong.
This was after installing the YAMAHA Steinberg USB driver from the official Yamaha Professional Audio website, which I strongly recommend. The default one that Windows 10 installed when it first detected the mixer somehow resulted in CPU usage skyrocketting due to svchost.exe. Not sure what that was about.
I tried installing the ASIO4ALL driver, but it didn't appear to make any difference, so I called the technical support hotline.
The very friendly and competent person on the other end explained to me that the signal strength the mixer was working with from the input all the way to STEREO OUT was simply too low. I had intentionally kept everything just as low as I could with the channel sliders on the 0 positions because I didn't want the gain settings to distort my signals. Turns out that mixers work best with the highest volume levels possible without distortion or constant peaking which does make sense - if you have more data for the signals, you can do more with them in terms of EQ, FX or anything really. Another clue was the monitor level display on the right side. For normal signals it only went up to a strength of about -25 to -30, which is basically the two bottom indicators of a total of twelve. They should be around the 0 level (5th from the top).
Once I realized that, it was only a matter of increasing the gain levels for the different input channels and lowering the master stereo slider as well as the phones level knob (and the AUX1 level knob in the SEND MASTER section) accordingly because the signal was now very strong. The monitor level now usually filled up to the 4-6 bottom-most lights (-15 to -6).
One test recording confirmed that the STEREO OUT USB signal was now as loud as what I heard on my headphones.
This was loud enough for me (the phones dial being set to 1 / the first "notch"), and translated to a gain level at 8 out of 10 "notches" (3 o'clock position) for all my sound cards (which were set to 100% volume in Windows for input as well as output) as well as my XLR microphone. Luckily, at this point there was no noticeable distortion yet.
Oh, and the volume in the USB input (channel 11/12) was now as loud as the other ones even without any attenuation set.
That's it!
I hope that helps you.
PS: Sorry if that is a bit of an obvious "hint", but as a beginner in the audio space myself, the advice from the Yamaha customer service representative made a light bulb switch on in my head. I thought I would share it in case you are having the same experience.
PPS: Even though I can only speak of the MG12XU, I am pretty certain that this applies to the sister models MG16XU and MG20XU, too, and maybe even the entire range of Yamaha audio mixers.
September 18th, 2020 - 13:23
I think the issue is that on these mixers they digitize the audio signal for USB with the clipping headroom in place (seems to be about 15dB), so the PEAK LEDs on the meter actually correspond to full scale (0dB) via USB. Naturally a 0dB on the meter would then be around -15dB via USB.
It would have been nice to have an option so that 0dB=0dB via USB…
June 10th, 2020 - 16:36
I know this is a bit dated – but also note that if you use a powered USB hub – don’t. Run it directly to your machine. Problems with levels magically disappear.
February 25th, 2018 - 12:05
That’s great to hear π
February 25th, 2018 - 06:55
I had a different problem ,when sending to usb-in I recieved a strange distort every minute for about 8 seconds. After Installing the driver its gone now. So thanks a lot for posting this …without I would still searching for a solution.
November 23rd, 2017 - 11:11
Glad to hear it helped π
I can imagine that this is one of those things that’s easy to miss – but at least now they know / remember as well π
November 23rd, 2017 - 07:16
This is Golden!!! thank you sooo much … not even the guru at the music store I bought the mixer from could figure it out! … I went and schooled the pro up based on your post! Champion!
October 22nd, 2017 - 08:56
Nice! That is great to hear π
October 22nd, 2017 - 03:58
Thanks Man, I recently purchased the Yamaha MG10XU, and had the exact same issue i.e. low sound levels. Followed your steps and now its recording as expected.